tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13929434.post3372283510854586784..comments2023-10-28T04:12:12.714-06:00Comments on THIS DIVIDED STATE - Official Blog of the Filmmakers: A Dick @ BYUEliashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08600841645881080576noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13929434.post-922868097821072712007-04-26T17:52:00.000-06:002007-04-26T17:52:00.000-06:00Since when does Cheney have the "right to speak" a...Since when does Cheney have the "right to speak" at BYU? He doesn't have the right to speak at BYU, any more than Michael Moore had the right to speak at UVSC. They were invited; they didn't have a "right."<BR/><BR/>They both have the right to freedom of speech, of course, as do those who protested or supported them, but that freedom of speech doesn't imply that they have the right to a particular venue.<BR/><BR/>In a time when so many people are careless with declaring their so-called rights, I think we should all be more careful about what we say.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13929434.post-82066006352861338332007-04-20T16:19:00.000-06:002007-04-20T16:19:00.000-06:00Note to Sara LoverockHi,Please consider the follow...Note to Sara Loverock<BR/><BR/>Hi,<BR/><BR/>Please consider the following:<BR/><BR/>Have you noted that Cheney transferred directly from Halliburton to Veep? Are you aware that Halliburton has been the greatest beneficiary of the Iraq invasion, driving Cheney's stock options higher than Enron Towers? <BR/><BR/>You may be a conservative, but Cheney is not: he's a radical warmonger, war profiteer, and shameless corporate whore. Cheney openly advocates torture, against every domestic and international law.<BR/><BR/>Though my values are probably further to the left than yours, I don't see why integrity in public servants would be less important for you.<BR/><BR/>If it were me, I wouldn't have such a man speak at my university.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13929434.post-27319977226012374282007-04-20T15:42:00.000-06:002007-04-20T15:42:00.000-06:00the attempt here to draw a parallel between protes...the attempt here to draw a parallel between protests against Moore and protests against Cheney overlooks the objective difference between the two.<BR/><BR/>fact is, Cheney shares a great portion of responsibility in the violent deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. were justice not a creature of the powerful, he'd be on trial for crimes against humanity right now. and compared to this Moore has done what? make a few movies?<BR/><BR/>beyond that, Dick Cheney's advocacy of war and torture <I>is in fact</I> contrary to a Christian ethic. to argue that because BYU students sign an honor code prior to admittance, they are therefore implicitly in support of people like Dick Cheney, is an argument based upon a confusion of "Christian" and "conservative" with "pathological" and "evil." while such a confusion is often the case in actual fact (i would label much of institutional christianity as pathological), i doubt this pathological reality is spelled out in the honor code document students must sign.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13929434.post-58975413982303603302007-04-03T14:01:00.000-06:002007-04-03T14:01:00.000-06:00Where are these websites?Where are these websites?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13929434.post-50283025850807292402007-04-03T12:13:00.000-06:002007-04-03T12:13:00.000-06:00Sarah, You have to understand, there are literally...Sarah, <BR/><BR/>You have to understand, there are literally 4 Anti-Steven Greenstreet websites out there where people with absolutely no lives, and no hope for any lives, dedicate their time to stalking me and slandering me.<BR/><BR/>So, no. That's not a quote from me.<BR/><BR/>That's something someone is using to misrepresent me.<BR/><BR/>STEVEN...https://www.blogger.com/profile/14516741404829369165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13929434.post-1012771039534839662007-04-03T11:55:00.000-06:002007-04-03T11:55:00.000-06:00Steven,It looked like it was someone quoting you. ...Steven,<BR/><BR/>It looked like it was someone quoting you. <BR/><BR/>Was the quote an actual quote from you? <BR/><BR/>Still confused by what I read,<BR/><BR/>SarahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13929434.post-89747591781484617632007-04-03T11:41:00.000-06:002007-04-03T11:41:00.000-06:00Sarah,First of all, that wasn't me. That was some ...Sarah,<BR/><BR/>First of all, that wasn't me. That was some one with security issues pretending and wishing they could be me.<BR/><BR/>That's the thing about "Anonymous" posting. You can post anything using anyone's name.<BR/><BR/>So, sorry if you thought all that crap was from me.<BR/><BR/>I'm not married, for instance. I have a cute little girlfriend, but why someone is bringing up "a wife" is beyond me.<BR/><BR/>But, again, I advocate protesting Cheney for being a douchey war monger, not because of what he may, or may not, say on April 26th. <BR/><BR/>Cheers,<BR/><BR/>STEVEN<BR/><BR/>p.s. Glad you liked the movie....https://www.blogger.com/profile/14516741404829369165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13929434.post-55487323900489153062007-04-03T11:20:00.000-06:002007-04-03T11:20:00.000-06:00Steven,There was some pretty freaky crap on this t...Steven,<BR/><BR/>There was some pretty freaky crap on this thread which is now gone. Was that intended to piss me off? <BR/><BR/>I don't understand what porn, "milfs" and your wife have to do with me. <BR/><BR/>I just thought it was ill-advised to protest his speech before it was delivered. <BR/><BR/>I think if people are successful in stopping Cheney's speech at "The BY", then every time someone tries to give a speech other than Mormon leaders at BYU then we can expect some group to be all bent out of shape and protest it because they don't stand for "our values."<BR/><BR/>I have always considered the most important voice to be heard, the one's that are different than our own.<BR/><BR/>Protesting his war is another thing all together and I support it. (the protesting - not the war)<BR/><BR/>As for us "going out", I don't think your wife would approve. But maybe we could go out on a "HOT DOUBLE DATE" sometime though. <BR/><BR/>It's now clear that you don't so much support the idea of protesting his speech but rather the protesting of his war. <BR/><BR/>I believe your explaination but you might consider changing your original post because I can't believe I'm the only person who found it strange for someone involved with THIS DIVIDED STATE to advise people to protest someone opening their mouth essentially.<BR/><BR/>BTW I saw TDS and it pissed me off. I'm glad that Moore was able to speak and I hope the same for Dick.<BR/><BR/>Bitch,<BR/><BR/>It's very clear by your post that you're no dumb ass. <BR/><BR/>Oceans of Love,<BR/><BR/>SarahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13929434.post-51281384365058350742007-04-02T01:45:00.000-06:002007-04-02T01:45:00.000-06:00Sarah,I was talking to the people trying to CANCEL...Sarah,<BR/><BR/>I was talking to the people trying to CANCEL his speech.<BR/><BR/>I think they should stop focusing their efforts on canceling his speech and plan more for a day of protest. (Which, from what I hear, people from around the country are flying in just to protest for).<BR/><BR/>But, me, personally, I would protest him based on his record. Not his speech per se. <BR/><BR/>So, thanks for meeting me in the middle. <BR/><BR/>Let's go out sometime.<BR/><BR/>STEVEN...https://www.blogger.com/profile/14516741404829369165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13929434.post-60631895169832072002007-04-01T22:31:00.000-06:002007-04-01T22:31:00.000-06:00So you AREN"T protesting his speech?You're protest...So you AREN"T protesting his speech?<BR/>You're protesting his war policies? <BR/><BR/>GREAT!<BR/><BR/>I'm glad I was able to help you clear that up because ealier you said for people to "protest the hell out of his SPEECH" - (not his war policies.)<BR/><BR/>And like I said:<BR/><BR/>"IF YOU WANT TO PROTEST HIS POLICIES, that's one thing but you are no better than those who protest books or films without reading or seeing them if you think it's a good idea to protest a speech before it's delivered."<BR/><BR/>So it sounds like we now agree on the matter. <BR/><BR/>Next time, Say what you mean and say it MEAN!<BR/><BR/>Douche bag! (Just kidding)<BR/><BR/>Sarah Loverock<BR/><BR/>PS<BR/><BR/>I'm really not kidding, I do think you're a douche bag (I'm totally kidding) Sort of.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13929434.post-88269602880713360532007-04-01T21:07:00.000-06:002007-04-01T21:07:00.000-06:00Sarah,No, you don't understand.Some of us really d...Sarah,<BR/><BR/>No, you don't understand.<BR/><BR/>Some of us really don't give a fuck about what Cheney is going to say.<BR/><BR/>We'll be protesting the fact that he's a warmonger and a war profiteer. The fact that, for decades, he's been making money off of the suffering of others. <BR/><BR/>And people haven't died because of Michael Moore's lies. <BR/><BR/>Over 3000 American troops and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died because Cheney lied about a litany of "facts" about Saddam Hussein.<BR/><BR/>And as for our "little protest", thousands have already confirmed to protest that day. <BR/><BR/>Little, indeed. <BR/><BR/>STEVEN...https://www.blogger.com/profile/14516741404829369165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13929434.post-38012224660100595232007-04-01T20:09:00.000-06:002007-04-01T20:09:00.000-06:00Steven,I find it odd that you would give the advis...Steven,<BR/><BR/>I find it odd that you would give the advise to "protest the hell out of Cheney's speech." before you have even heard it.<BR/><BR/>What specific points of his graduation speech are we to be outraged by? And how on earth did you get a copy of his speech so far in advance?<BR/><BR/>You remind me of the idiots who hate Michael Moore and all of his films yet haven't seen a single one. <BR/><BR/>Let's hear what he has to say in his graduation speech before we decide on protesting it.<BR/><BR/>If you want people to protest his policies, that's one thing but you are no better than those who protest books or films without reading or seeing them if you think it's a good idea to protest a speech before it's delivered.<BR/><BR/>Best of luck with your little protest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13929434.post-56740338991386633372007-03-31T23:17:00.000-06:002007-03-31T23:17:00.000-06:00Like the anonymous student you quoted, I think Che...Like the anonymous student you quoted, I think Cheney should be perfectly welcome to speak at BYU at any time of the year other than graduation. <BR/><BR/>Not just because the students who don't want to hear him are forced to sit through it, but because it always seemed to me that graduation speakers were people not just of high stature in the community or nation, but people who you hoped students would go out into the world and emulate. Graduation speakers are supposed to be inspiring and I can't imagine anyone wanting their children to go out into the world and do the things Cheney has done to America.Stenarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09856323697387175849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13929434.post-47782539236411228992007-03-30T09:45:00.000-06:002007-03-30T09:45:00.000-06:00So, protest, but don't ask BYU to reconsider the i...So, protest, but don't ask BYU to reconsider the invitation? Isn't that part of the protest? Phase 1 being an attempt to get as many people as possible to tell Cheney to stay away, with phase 2 being marching around campus with the funny signs? I like your "Dick" joke, but I hope there's some anti-Bush signs as well. My personal favorite is "Drunken Frat Boy Runs Country Into Ditch."<BR/><BR/>I loved you movie, btw.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com